Peter Garrett the next arts minister?

Na | 24/11/2007 - 20:52

Well, Johnnie's out, and Kevin's in... it's very likely that Peter Garrett is our next new arts minister.

Curious thought - is this a first? If Garrett is arts minister, would he be the first one in the role who has actually worked in the arts?

More interestingly, would it change things for the arts in Australia? Would we get more funding? Would any laws be changed or implemented? Would arts be more prominent in policy and in national Australian politics?

... And even more interestingly - if it isn't Garrett, then who would it be, and why not him?

So many things to come, it's going to be a very curious next few months, as we consider the changes ahead.

(If anyone's curious... I voted Green)

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Garrett?
Author: Logos
Date: 25/11/2007 - 08:51
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I suspect that Garret will be the environment Minister. It's the Portfolio that he has been shadowing. I realise that he has made announcements on the Arts but I think Environment is where he wants to be. In answer to your questions
1/ No it wouldn't change things. Labour on the whole sees theatre as elitist and puts money into populist stuff like cabaret and car races and sports as entertainment. Which has it's place of course.
2/ No more funding. Don't evn bother dreaming about it. See above answer.
3/ Laws? Good question. I already know that Rudd will NOT reduce the draconian penalties attached to the anti sedition laws. He said so in words of one syllable.
4/ I doubt that there will be any increase in the prominence of Arts in Australia from a Governmental point of view. The arts has been sinking for some time. Politicians are only interested nowadays from a point of view of bread and circuses.
Who will be Arts Minister? God knows. Unless they make Arts and the Environment one Ministers job and give to Garrett.

All this and guess what? I'm a labour supporter. But I'm not a dewey eyed innocent.

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On some promotional
Author: Sean B
Date: 25/11/2007 - 12:12
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On some promotional material I saw that Garrett was listed as both arts and the environment.

...would that mean all performances would have to go carbon neutral...and before anyone comments it's more of a joke- because I think the carbon neutral idea is a scam, especially when large, power consuming concerts etc are used to promote environmental awareness and then are supposedly carbon neutral.

Then again, I do happen to know how successful Red Gums are at eating carbon- if you're looking for enviro carbon neutral furniture or sets, buy red gum- although it may be a bit expensive.

This kind of strayed.

Is there an 'Arts' party in the politics game?
Maybe to give us an artists a chance we need to have one of those. Even if it only gets a seat or two Smiling
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Actually, Garrett was
Author: Na
Date: 25/11/2007 - 14:47

Actually, Garrett was shadow 'arts secretary', which is why I'm curious to see who gets the arts portfolio. Of course, I doubt anything will change, but he has been very vocal on a range of arts topics. Plus, I believe many of the policies and laws for the arts has been hampered more by Philip Ruddock than by any arts minister. He has been very anti-arts change.

Still, some interesting concepts lie ahead.

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 25/11/2007 - 11:24 Greg Parrot (not verified) So you support labour but
Interesting Question
Author: Logos
Date: 25/11/2007 - 11:53
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If you want a detailed description of my political views I will happily give you one. PM me. Suffice it to say that I have voted Labour in the vast majority of state and federal elections that I have voted in. I have always been a member of the Union that represented me in my field of employment and I have until now always assumed that the Labour Party was the voice of reason. I have always been to the left of the labour Party on most issues and voted for them because they represented the only real chance I ever had of having a government that even came close to my beliefs. I am not at this time a communist although I would at one time in my life happily accepted a label as a Marxist.
I am a left libertarian with strong leanings to syndicalism.

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Love's Labor's Lost on you?
Author: crgwllms
Date: 02/12/2007 - 20:21
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Thanks for illuminating us with your ideology, but I think you missed the joke.

Greg's labour/ Labor comment was a pun on the fact that you keep misspelling the name of the party (it's Labor with no U) but still possibly support the workers..?

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Oh Pooh.
Author: Logos
Date: 03/12/2007 - 12:05
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Damn, I completely missed it. Boy is my face red.
I offer as my only excuse the fact that I have spent most of the last 20 years in the UK where they spell themselves Labour.

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Haha I didn't notice it
Author: Sean B
Date: 03/12/2007 - 18:39
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Haha I didn't notice it until now, infact I didn't even know the spelling anyway of the party.

Guess I better learn now!

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I think most people get
Author: Na
Date: 03/12/2007 - 18:48

I think most people get confused lately because of the influx of American English. The keeping of the 'u' for the word labour makes sense in Aus. English, but then to loose it for the party's name just makes things all the more confusing for younger Australians.

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Not a good idea
Author: Neville Talbot
Date: 25/11/2007 - 12:43
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I am not totally certain that having an 'artist' in the role of arts minister is necessarily a good idea. Just as having a miner as minster of mines or export/trade, etc.
I know the obvious link to the portfolio seems OK, but I think it can breed a situation of 'familiarity breeding contempt' in the minister.
Basically, if you already think you are an expert, you can often miss the wood for the trees.
Also, having only one view of any portfolio is not good. You need to be able to get good advisors, and then make totally objective decisions with ALL parties' views taken into account. That said, it would be nice to have a minister with some pre-existing interest at least...

Regardless, unfortunately I don't think the arts will be a priority (at least at the Commonwealth level) for some time. Until we break the shackles of economic rationalisation, the arts will continue to be too expensive to justify. This labor govt is not, as our friend logos has pointed out, a particularly left-leaning one. Which is, I suspect, the only reason the Australian people elected them.
I know we Australians think of ourselves quite comfortably as egalitarian and 'fair go for all', but the reality is far different to this. Generally Australians tend to selfishness, bigotry and are very susceptible to fear-mongering. Easy to do when everyone is making money and has plasma tv's etc.
However, not conducive to happiness, community-mindedness, or generosity. And giving $100 to the salvos at xmas don't cut it people!

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Getting back to Sean's point
Author: Rapunzel
Date: 25/11/2007 - 15:42
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Getting back to Sean's point (but yes Nev, I agree, we are all selfish, easy to be generous with two TVs etc.) I can't help wondering who is making money out of all this carbon neutral stuff?

Something in me jibs at the idea of paying someone to plant trees to replace whatever I "use" to fly (one example). It doesn't add up to me. My nasty suspicious mind asks "how can I be sure the trees actually get planted" and similar thoughts. Must look up old biology books, I'm pretty sure that a tree takes in carbon dioxide during the day and puts out oxygen and at night it's the reverse...or the other way round. So a tree's cycle is actually probably totally self balancing. Bit rusty on this...

The whole thing smacks of a con. Somehow good people, we are being done like a dog's dinner.

Mind you, I still recycle, almost to the point of obsession. So that's my sop to my conscience and makes me feel better...I guess these carbon neutral schemes help others feel the same way (?)

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Hmmm
Author: Logos
Date: 25/11/2007 - 17:55
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Actually I belive you have it almost right. I think that over it's lifetime the trees production of Oxygen actually overruns CO2 by about 5%. So a tree will have to live a long time. And the carbon more or less gets put in a bank as once the tree begins to rot after death most of it gets released back into the system.
Also what about the CO2 production of the vehiclkes used to plant the trees. Is that taken into consideration in calculating the balance.

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surely they employ another
Author: Sean B
Date: 25/11/2007 - 19:59
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surely they employ another company to plant trees for their company which plants trees...

it's like a circle, everyone planting trees for everyone else.

Glad I'm not the only one a little suss.

To reference a point above- I didn't think about having a minister that's been in the industry as a problem, but now I look at it the way expressed above- Garrett for example, was a musician, and this may tend policies, funding etc towards musicians more than theatre (example) so I guess I see now why this could be a problem.

Ok...let's pose another question:
What would make the arts important enough to the government to create more focus in our sector?

Multi-million dollar theatre and movie departments? Similar to Broadway and Hollywood?

What do people think? What would make the arts important?

Sean
(Getting the facts for his next three years before his vote counts)
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I don't think it's possible
Author: Na
Date: 26/11/2007 - 08:21

I don't think it's possible in this country. I think it requires a complete reversal of any preconceptions about art; an entire social rethink by a majority of our population.

Consider Europe: their history is much longer, and the arts have played a much more important role in the creation of their social and historical life.

Asia: the arts is considered a necessary balance to life, and there is a great sense of obligation to support the arts.

The US, of course, consider the arts good, but I'm guessing mainly only because of Hollywood and the importance of keeping the Hollywood money for their economy.

But here... the arts, just like the country, is much younger, and hasn't had as much influence on local politics or social events than in other countries.

I think we need to keep going for another couple hundred years until we can have Australian arts taken 'seriously' by the major public audience, and the government.

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I don't know. As it is I
Author: Logos
Date: 25/11/2007 - 20:06
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I don't know. As it is I understand there are figures somewhere that show more people attend live theatrical style entertainments each week than go to the Football. I have no evidence for that though.

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Would that be because there
Author: Sean B
Date: 25/11/2007 - 20:47
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Would that be because there are more theatre shows occurring than football games?

My Dad was saying earlier tonight about previous Vic governments trying to get the big sporting events because of the jobs they created- from building new venues, to having staff at these venues (my Dad was a Chef at the Commonwealth games for example).

For example maybe the arts have to take a side like this: try and get in the big Hollywood films to shoot here (Ghost Rider, The Pacific, to name a few recent ones- good aerial shot in the Herald Sun today of a boat set) to create more jobs for people in the industry as well as boosting the economy from people coming to view these events (if it were a stage show for example) or from tourism when people come to see the sets, locations etc (Hobbiton- half demolished now- from the Lord Of The Rings in new Zealand)

I do some volunteer work at the Port Of Echuca, where 'All The Rivers Run' (with John Waters) was filmed- they are still reaping the benefits of that film, and it was made some time ago. Many tourists from nations in Asia comment on how they recently saw the production on TV- so something's working there.

Anyway, just some more ideas for now I guess.

Sean

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The problem is, I think,
Author: Na
Date: 26/11/2007 - 08:24

The problem is, I think, the government has spent all their time trying to encourage and attract international companies, thereby providing jobs for performers... the problem is, that sort of negates any support for local companies and their local shows.

People forget just how much we export our art to other countries too. So supporting local performance is just as important as attracting international productions.

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Yes, I remember that - the
Author: Na
Date: 26/11/2007 - 08:22

Yes, I remember that - the ABS would have the stats.

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Inform your discussion
Author: James McDonald
Date: 26/11/2007 - 20:30

The issue is not so much as who will be Arts Minister but that the person is competent and committed to the arts.

The issue is the policy Labor brings to the portfolio. You will find "New Directions for the Arts" here: http://www.alp.org.au/download/now/new_directions_for_the_arts.pdf and Garrett's launch of ALP policy - "Creative Communities" - here: http://www.alp.org.au/download/now/071110_creative_communities_fact_sheet.pdf

Commentary in the media on arts policy during the election are linked on this page: http://jmcdonald.org/opinion/?p=55 and my own comments on both documents at http://jmcdonald.org/opinion/?p=52 and http://jmcdonald.org/opinion/?p=54


 27/11/2007 - 17:50 Gloria Monday (not verified) Artists as art ministers
I did not know that -
Author: Na
Date: 27/11/2007 - 19:58

I did not know that - thanks for the info! It's nice to hear artists being part of politics on a larger level.

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Peter is it
Author: Logos
Date: 29/11/2007 - 14:14
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Well Mr garrett is Arts and heritage minister along with a truncated environment portfolio.

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Where'd you find out? I
Author: Na
Date: 29/11/2007 - 15:33

Where'd you find out? I just went on a hunt, and haven't found anything yet.

EDIT: Never mind, just got it:

http://www.labor.com.au/download/now/ministry_list.pdf

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Peter Garrett retains Arts portfolio - Now address arts in the r
Author: James McDonald
Date: 02/12/2007 - 06:19

From Rage and Enthusiasm, http://jmcdonald.org/opinion/?p=61

Peter Garrett retains Arts portfolio - Now address arts in the regions

Peter Garrett retains the Arts portfolio in the new Rudd ministry announced today. Garrett will also have responsibility for environment and heritage.

He told his audience at the launch of Labor’s Arts policy, “I want to make it very clear that Labor doesn’t view the arts as quarantined from the rest of the Australian community – because we believe the arts are, together with our rich cultural heritage … the spirit of our community.”

Garrett promised, “artists will be celebrated and respected for their role in shaping our identity, informing our sense of who we are and of course playing a valuable role in building social and economic pathways to the future.

“A fundamental step in recognising the place of artists in our community is in respecting the artistic voice, and recognising the principle of artistic freedom of expression,” he said.

Here! Here! But let’s hope the Labor’s Arts program delivers for regional Australia. In order to convert the rhetoric into reality, the Arts policy needs to do more than promise funding to metropolitan companies, orchestras and galleries enabling them to tour the regions. That’s great for providing access to first-class performances, but does little for sustaining artistic excellence in regional centres.

Theatre is the central focus of Rage and Enthusiasm in the arts. There are a number of first-class theatrical productions in regional cities, of course. But, Minister Garrett needs to get out into the regions, identify the needs of each centre, and explore ways and means to support centres of excellence for the the arts in regional centres. In theatre, for example, this might translate into providing support for the establishment of a professional company in each major centre. At present nearly all federal funding for theatre is quarantined in the CBDs and the inner suburbs of the State capitals.

Government cannot be expected to fund all of the centres without community generosity and support. But, Government needs also to encourage philanthropic support of professional regional theatres. And any program needs to ensure that there is both an artistic flow to, as well as funding advantages for, community theatre. This is not a proposal to bury communnity theatres, many of which already operate according to high professional standards.

Two other aspects of Labor’s policy deserve mention. The first is the establishment of a new Creative Industries Innovation Centre to boost arts entrepreneurs and researchers. The Minister should give serious consideration to locating this in a regional centre. The opportunities are already available in the cities. It should - as promised - involve all sectors of the arts industries equally and performers and other artists must be an integral part of the program. In other words, as I have stated elsewhere in Rage and Enthusiasm, it needs to be primarily culturally and artist driven and only secondarily - albeit necessarily - business driven.

The second is the promise to repeal the dangerous sedition laws. Peter Garrett told his audience at the Arts policy launch that in recognition and respect for artists and in valuing the principle of artistic freedom of expression, “Labor will remove the term ‘sedition’ from federal criminal law”. This will remove the repressive effects of the Howard legislation hanging over the head of all artists.


A big clap for Garrett if
Author: Na
Date: 02/12/2007 - 09:02

A big clap for Garrett if he can repeal the sedition thing - but I won't hold my breath!

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Two comments
Author: Logos
Date: 02/12/2007 - 07:31
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Two things
Given Mr Rudds comments in the media over the last few days of the campaign about not backpeddling on the "protections" introduced against terrorism one of which is the sedition laws, I will not hold my breath waiting for this legislation to be overturned.
Second, I wonder if this Arts Minister will address the issue of whether amateur or co-op theatre should qualify under certain circumstances for funding in some small way. Particularly to make new Australian work happen more.
Its a thorny subject and not one that has ever received a suitable answer.

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