An open letter to the "Walter Plunts" of this world regarding your Finley "feedback" - civility being wasted on u

jmuzz | 22/01/2008 - 23:49

Y'know what, having read the churlish complaints by the abovenamed in a related thread about the Finleys I took it as a comment about what the ITA does and what the ITA doesn't do (particularly with regard the Finleys) so I thought I'd shame a few of you "Walter Plunts" for the hell of it because you deserve taking down a peg or two.
I thought I could shake off your comments but y'know what, SURPRISE, I couldn't.
Not in a heartbeat.
I dislike you simply because you're anonymous.
No, truely. (this post is starting to become Pinter-like in prose - sorry 'bout that).
I think you're the worst thing about amateur theatre - ego unchecked and unchallenged.
We need you like we need a dose of piles (I was going to say syphillis but it's a moderated forum).
You offer nothing constructive which is rude and you're rude....which is unforgiveable. Let me stoop to your level (except you know who I am) because I wanted to see what it was like.
Feels good - think I'll continue.
Here's the challenge - do you sit on Walter Plunt's side of the fence or not? If so, read on.
I'm the outgoing ITA treasurer. I filled the role of treasurer this year and did a damn good job if I may say so as did those before me. I filled the role because THE LACK OF VOLUNTEERS FROM THE AFFILIATE CLUBS WAS ASTOUNDING. Everyone get that? Good, lets move on.
Let's make sure it doesn't happen again Walter. You have a mouth obviously, wanna job?
Yeah...thought not.
I work over 60 hours a week in a professional capacity and like you all I enjoy being involved in amateur theatre in something other than an administration role. Sometimes my role as treasurer chews up my (whole freaking)weekend whilst I'm juggling lines (script, not the drug) and professional commitments. I have Friday off - thats my time.
Up til now I haven't complained.
Up til now.
You people who complain about what we do and don't do - you who hide behind your "Walter Plunt" pseudonyms - how many of you are on your local theatres' committee? (kudos to Jeff Hansen in the related thread - cogent argument eloquently put - we don't have a solution to it as yet but at least it was reasonably argued and you're doing something for local theatre at a committee level, well done mate).
While I'm at it (and to prove I'm unbiased) I understand that "Alias" comments were made from the heart although your intent may have been misinterpreted (negative feedback isn't necessarily WRONG feedback). You are wrong about bias though - just trust me on this Smiling
Look at the average age of your local theatre committee - how old are they? Is the average age increasing? Why is that?
Could it be the youngbloods of the "I-generation" want to be fed roles and do little else?
(I'm assuming you're young and immature Walter Plunt - if not, hang your head in freaking shame).
If so, continue your whinging - sooner or later there will be no-one to listen.
Obviously there are people in the forums who want change.
Who has the balls to promote it?
Hmmmmmmmmm?
Yeah, thought not.
Go back to sleep Walter.
How many of the Walters who complain turn up at AGMs?
How many Walters THANK the adjudicators for VOLUNTEERING their time to turn up at their shows?
How many Walters ask to bring their ideas to the ITA meetings? (we're a committee, not an autocracy).
How many Walters think "y'know, maybe they've done this in response to feedback they've had before"
(sound of crickets chirping)
Yep, thought so.
I like reasoned arguments.
I love people who debate and promote constructive feedback.
I despise cowards and people who use the word "suck" or "crap" without being at least a partways witty whenever they provide feedback on this site, e.g "I think the ITA suck-seed". (That would be at least funny in principle and I could high five it).
Walter Plunt, you stand accused of having complained without offering anything more than that - you don't deserve the Finleys, Dramafest, Masterclasses or anything else for that matter.
Suffer in your jocks!!! (it's a moderated forum - I'd be more explicit in person)
THE ITA WILL DIE WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT.
Attend the ITA AGM and change my view that we have leeches like "Walter Plunt" in our community - please.
By the way, I can vouch that I'm not an orphan - certain others in our committee work longer hours professionally or commit to other leadership roles in the theatre community other than the ITA.
I write this from a very deep concern that the ITA faces a crises in regard to having fresh blood driving it in the years ahead.
It makes me angry.
I saw a lot of happy faces at the Finleys last Saturday catching up with old friends in a relaxed environment. I drove Beryl Silvester who has interracted in the Perth theatre community for the better part of 5 decades to the night and she caught up with many people she hadn't seen in many a long year. The Finleys isn't about awards solely people - it's about coming together, fellowship, having a drink with old mates, running into people you haven't seen in years.
I ran around like a mad sod most of the night doing this and that and gave the most apalling best actor/best actress ntro ever in the history of the awards but I had fun and I'm not ashamed we didn't give out an award for "Best Lighting" or "Best Sound".......oh hang on, we did....but I guess you had to be there.
Get involved people or cease your complaining.
Here endeth the lesson.
Thank you to the majority who provided heartfelt and thoughtful response to the initial forum - lots to be taken from your comments. However, if you missed the night, you missed Perth Theatre coming together (right now as "the beatles" said) Smiling
"Phew" - I feel better now.

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Great post Murray
Author: Kimberley
Date: 23/01/2008 - 08:12

There isn't much else to say.

Thankyou.

Kimberley


Bravo! Murray...
Author: Heraldic
Date: 23/01/2008 - 08:31
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Bravo! Murray... Considering the population of members in Community Theatre in Perth, its amazing that more people arent willing to share the load in administering the ITA.
The 'Walter Plinges' are probably packing their bags for Iraq at the moment so we will cross them off the list.Anyone else?


 23/01/2008 - 08:47 DS (not verified) Bunch of .........?
Can't take the credit.....
Author: jmuzz
Date: 23/01/2008 - 09:57
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.....Mr or Ms Plunt chose their own nickname.


 23/01/2008 - 09:29 Walter Plunt (not verified) I understand your
Quoting Mr Plunt; "The
Author: jmuzz
Date: 23/01/2008 - 09:55
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Quoting Mr Plunt;
"The Finleys are a pile of crap. Always have been, always will be. A celebration of mediocrity.

And no, i'm not a 'sore loser'."

Find me more a negative comment in that forum.
I suggest YOU read them again - most of the "negative" feedback, if we label it as such, was at least reasoned argument and I would never shoot that down.
It shows people are thinking at the very least.
Comments like the above show the writer to be a miserable human being with no right to participate in theatre because;
(1) There's no reasoning in the "argument", and
(2) You've just labelled all the productions from last year as mediocre.

Why are you involved in theatre "walter"?
Why are you so insecure as to hide behind a pseudonym?
You're obviously passionate in your hatred - why not have the guts to reveal who you are?
I'll tell you why - because you'd be ashamed for people to know who you are and that you held that opinion.
That's what makes you gutless and that's whats makes you wrong.
You add nothing of value, snipe from behind cover, and your fresh ideas for a better theatre community extend to labelling things "crap".
Find me a more negative comment than the one you made.
Please.
Make my day.


 23/01/2008 - 10:13 Walter Eenis (not verified) Always good to see the
Haven't seen Melissa's name
Author: jmuzz
Date: 23/01/2008 - 10:48
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Haven't seen Melissa's name in this forum yet - have you?
Why would I be sticking up for her?
What's she done wrong?
"Walter" is getting more difficult to understand but then that's no surprise to me at all.
If your wit was a weapon it would be a blunt stick.


General Agreement
Author: Labrug
Date: 23/01/2008 - 10:30
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A well thought out and only slightly abrasive commentary on the impotent nonsense sprouted by certain faceless individuals of our and every community. Mind you, that said, not all WP (by that I mean Anons) are derogatory nay-sayers. Those that have constructively added to debates and been able to accept responsibility for their own comments should be excluded from this brush-stroke. There are a few.

Murray, I personally thank you and the ITA committee for what must seem most of the time a thank-less task. As far as the Finleys goes, I thought it was a fantastic night show-casing the unbelivable talent that exists in WA.

Absit invidia

Jeff Watkins
Perth based Actor/Performer
Fight/Sword Choreographer
Director

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You're right Jeff....
Author: jmuzz
Date: 23/01/2008 - 11:13
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....I certainly don't mind people posting anonymously when it's reasoned debate. That's their right.
I am however sick and tired of idiots hijacking these forums and getting away scot-free.
I decided to hold them accountable for their dribble.
It won't make me popular, it'll make me a target, but enough is enough.
The sad thing is my vitriol may overshadow the real point I was making - if people want the ITA to continue (and I'd suggest that without the ITA there would only be a slim chance that things like Finleys, Dramafest, etc continue), there needs to be active participation to make the changes people want otherwise the whole thing withers and dies. Given 400 plus people attended the Finleys on Saturday obviously points to the fact that there is a demand for it's continuance.
Mr Plunt would have us believe such events designed to bring the theatre community together are a banality.
That deserves a slam because he/she offers nothing other than insults.
On the whole I thought the debate on issues such as announcing the nominees, gratis tickets for performers, what awards should or shouldn't be given was great - spirited at times - but great. On the whole I thought it showed people were supportive of the concept.
I hope that energy can be utilised in the year to come.


 23/01/2008 - 11:39 sting (not verified) Ok, I confess my real
Really? That's your name?
Author: jmuzz
Date: 23/01/2008 - 13:39
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Having taken the time to read your "reviews" of Paris & WOO it's all clear now. You delight in taunting from arms length and you write with a pen of poison at every opportunity. You mention you won't be visiting the south west anytime soon. You're not wanted in Perth metro either.
Best option would be for you to emigrate.
To "sting" suggests you're an insect of some type.
I wouldn't disagree with that.
Let's hope someone squashes you soon.
To turn a phrase of your own around I'd say you are a celebration of mediocrity yourself.
Fly away little bee!


 23/01/2008 - 19:02 Walter Plunterriffic. (not verified) Dear Jmuzz,
Hang on a tick.....
Author: jmuzz
Date: 23/01/2008 - 21:11
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I wasn't making the assumption you were one and the same. Read my reply to Jeff headed "You're right Jeff" where I state "....I certainly don't mind people posting anonymously when it's reasoned debate. That's their right."
Furthermore I was not making an assumption that you my good Plunterrific were one and the same as the other Walter Plunt. The second part of my reply to your original post is addressed to the "evil" Walter Plunt (just so we can discern whose who) and if you got the idea I was assuming you were him/her/it, then my most humble apologies.
It was quite clear to me that you were someone else given you didn't use the word crap or mock my girlfriend.
It hadn't occurred to me that more than one person posts as Walter Plunt. Given it seems his preferred nickname is Sting and there appears to be only one Sting (not to be confused with Stinger), let's pretend it reads "An Open Letter to the "Stings" of this world. Anyway, I think you will find only one Walter Plunt posted comment in the Finley thread and I think it's clear it's him I was aiming at.

I think people are drawing the assumption I have a beef against those who choose to post anonymously because my original post in this thread stated "I dislike you simply because you're anonymous" which does sound like a gross generalisation. That's not what I meant.
I DO actively dislike people who post bile filled diatribes under a pseudonym because that's gutless and it's a gross disservice to all those who spend hours, literally hours, making sure others can enjoy their theatre experience.
But if you post anonymously and you have valid points, whether I agree or not, more power to you.
I couldn't care if you posted as Walter or by your real name - your opinions are welcome.
So...no nastiness here, certainly none aimed at you.
Does that make it a tad clearer?
Once again, humble apologies for the confusion.

I do disagree with you on one thing.
Yes, I could turn the other cheek, ignore Plunt/Sting/whateverthehellhewantstocallhimself's comments.
But the fact is that this site is becoming more and more riddled with this idiot's comments. So I'm not in a mood to forgive. It's my right to challenge such behaviour. I think ignoring it is akin to justifying it's continuance.

Having said that, your opinion is as valid as mine Eye-wink

Cheers Plunterriffic - trust this clears things up


 28/01/2008 - 10:02 Walter Plunt (not verified) j muzz, you are obviously a
 29/01/2008 - 13:52 Sting (not verified) Here's the buzz for
 29/01/2008 - 14:49 secretsquirrel (not verified) The Finleys really sucked,
The Finley Really Sucked.....
Author: Norma
Date: 29/01/2008 - 17:01

I've refrained from comment up to now - but really....
If all you have to do in life is make inane comments, designed to stir up trouble then I suggest you go away and do something- ANYTHING - to make your poor empty life worth something!!


English Language 101
Author: jmuzz
Date: 29/01/2008 - 16:42
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out·go·ing – adjective
1. departing
2. leaving or retiring from a position or office

Just so we're clear on that.

You went to the Finleys AFTER having slammed it as a celebration of banality?
I think that says it all really.


 29/01/2008 - 16:56 w (not verified) dear walter plunt...
 30/01/2008 - 07:40 Sting (not verified) You've been STUNG!
 31/01/2008 - 22:31 walterwalterwalter (not verified) Sting - "You've been
 07/02/2008 - 18:14 visitor (not verified) Cannot belive you guys
Taking a Dig
Author: Tari-Xalyr
Date: 08/02/2008 - 09:04
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I st here and read this thread, in it's entirety to date.

JMuzz I commend you on making a stand against those people who chose to simply promote useless, time-wasting and often hurtful posts that have little relevance and do not promote a sense of liking when it comes to amatuer theatre.

And yes in doing so have put yourself in the firing line.

I agree with JMuzz, Jeff, Na and the others who have responded defending the original post. If you are going to post anonymously thats fine. Plese feel free to do so. You are under no pressure tor eveal yourself if you do not want but in posting anonymously you are allowing yourself to be labelled as annoying because GENERALLY speaking those who post under Walter simply stir touble. There are countless forums, threads and posts that suggest this scattered throughout the site and unfortunately more to support this then the opposite.

In response to "Walter Plunterrific's" post; We are NOT saying ALL anonymous posts are bad or ridiculous, there are definately anonymous people who contribute to this site in a positive way, they offer constructive feedback, comments with arguement. It's the slandering Walters that annoy the community on this site.

In regards to what appears to be stemming from this thread - a conversation about the ITA 'dieing' out. Unfortunately the fact is the same for over 90% of volunteer groups and operations in the world. I cannot answer for other people but I will agree that it is sad that looking at the number of people who showed up to the Finnleys - myself included - and the fact that the ITA and other committees constantly struggle to get members is disappointing. I have my reasons, as do others for not comitting to community theatre at another level.

My last comment; I acknowledge that I stand behind an online psuedo name - like many others on this site - but what makes us different is that people can access our profiles - see who we are in real life - we show up to auditions, events etc and are not afraid to say who we are online etc.

That is all I have to say.

~ Bec A (AKA Tari)

The Writer is a child forever listening at the keyhole of the adult world.


 08/02/2008 - 19:27 Grant Malcolm Licensed trolls
No we don't have a Bill of
Author: Logos
Date: 10/02/2008 - 11:04
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No we don't have a Bill of Rights but defamation definitions are very very similar across the english speaking world. This actually supports my previous stand on the Wizard of Oz thread.

Is that all there is? Well if that's all there is my friend, then let's keep dancing.
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My two penny-worth (which
Author: Clint
Date: 10/02/2008 - 14:12

My two penny-worth (which isn't a lot these days).

This site has always had more than it's fair share of trolling and inappropriate comments.. I learnt that from my first visit after reading some truly nasty and poorly written comments about a show that involved young kids...

It's a shame.... everyone has an opinion... but everyone has a butt too... it's not that clever.

Constructive criticism is one thing, or even just... criticism but anonomous degrading posts are best treated with the contempt they deserve. This is not always easy but I think most outsider observers can usually see what is going on. It usually appears as jealousy, an axe to grind or a personal vendetta.

If you don't feed the trolls they tend to just fade away under the bridge.... but sometimes it's hard not to throw the ugly suckers a bone.


Junk
Author: Labrug
Date: 11/02/2008 - 07:27
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I try (not always successfully) to treat it like Junk Mail - the paper-based junk mail not electronic SPAM - I give it a quick glance and more often than not toss it in the bin.

Absit invidia

Jeff Watkins
Perth based Actor/Performer
Fight/Sword Choreographer
Director

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 13/02/2008 - 21:59 Alan Henderson (not verified) It's been a month now and
AGM this Sunday
Author: jmuzz
Date: 15/02/2008 - 08:10
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The ITA is having it's AGM this Sunday at Lotteries House, West Perth. The meeting allows feedback on areas we can improve on in future including the Finleys.
This may allow you Alan to share in an open forum what areas you feel can be improved on as regards future Finley Awards shows, or please feel free to outline here what you felt was particularly "crocky" and we can take that on board as feedback and include it in our discussion if you're not attending.
If you feel that the Finleys are a "crock" because you think awards for amateur theatre are just in general a naff idea, that's of course your opinion and I doubt we can overcome that. We had some 450 attendees at the night and the unsolicited feedback we had was overwhelmingly positive and in favour of the awards continuing (in fact they want more categories, can you believe it!) so I can't see it ending anytime soon.
I'd just sow this little seed with you Alan - I myself don't get too excited about the awards aspect. For me the Finleys is the chance to run into some people I haven't seen in a while - a kind of Perth Theatre get-together around a few drinks if you will. I've been to some crap movies with friends over the years but still enjoyed the night with a drink or two and their company afterwards (not suggesting the Finleys was crap mind you, just illustrating a point). Whether you like awards or not, I think the Finleys has something for everyone, even if it's just fellowship.
Cheers


 07/03/2008 - 17:16 Ripper Hargreves (not verified) Open and Closed
I feel a new musical on the
Author: Musically Savage
Date: 13/03/2008 - 22:34
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I feel a new musical on the horizon. The curtain opens to reveal chorus members hanging off street poles & climbing roofs, bellowing out the title chorus tune...
"sting, sting, sting, sting, everybody needs sting (boom, boom, boom..)

Smiling

 

 

... dance lightly my friend, but carry a big stick...

Luke


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