Chookas

Tari-Xalyr | 16/09/2006 - 12:50

I have a question. I know people say Chookas to wish people luck - it's been said to me quite a bit lately but does anyone know the story behind that saying? It's really beginning to bug me so anyone who knows please . . .let me know! lol

~ Tari

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I have just read the long thread about chookas...
Author: Logos
Date: 16/09/2006 - 20:49
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While I have heard of most of the superstitions mentioned and of course many others I am afriad I have never heard the term chookas used back stage anywhere. Are you sure it's not a West Australian Thing. Or is it Australian I'm used to English practices. I never use "Break a Leg" I feel silly saying it but can't bring myself to wish good luck so invariably say "Have Fun"

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Aussie chookas
Author: Grant Malcolm
Date: 16/09/2006 - 21:15
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As far as I'm aware the term is specifically australian. I first came across it in WA but have heard it used in other states.

Chookas ... and you find saying "break a leg" a little silly.

;-) 

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Grant

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Chookas history
Author: Christine Ellis
Date: 17/09/2006 - 11:57
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The story I have heard from Joe McCabe is that in england in the olden days, the actors measured their performances on the number of people in the pit. If there was a big paying audience then it meant they would be having chicken for dinner and not bread. So Chookas became an expression for good luck.
I am not promising this is completely accurate, but for further information contact Joe McCabe or else Graham Cole from Pinajarra who was writing a book on many of the regular theatre sayings and their meanings.
Hope this has been some help.

Cheers
Christine Ellis


Chookas
Author: JoeMc
Date: 17/09/2006 - 13:52

Your almost right Christine!
Except it is an ocker term exclusively.
I tried to search for a post I put on the previous forum eons ago, but nothing?
I first came across it at the old firm of JCW’s way back in a prestroke life.
There was a poem that went with it, but I can’t remember it now.
The bit I do recollect is the complete term is ‘Tio Tio Tio Chookas
loosely meaning ‘With hear & sole. May you always play to a full
house’
Also the actions which go with the poem, were using your right hand,
pat your left heart 3 times with the words ‘tio’ & jump up on
Chookas’.
There are still a few old members of the ‘Firm’ & possibly some
still on the perch, that played the ‘halls’  back in the 1900’s.
Who may remember the old poem?
But Chookas was derived during the days of the ‘Halls’. At a time when
it was considered a delicacy to have a meal of chook & it could
cost almost a good weeks pay, unless you were lucky enough to be in
digs that had them in the back yard.
At best the ‘Coolgardie safe’ or if the Iceman cometh, was the only way to keep meat generally.
On the halls & indeed with most theatre productions performance
fees paid depended on the box office take for the performance, Much the
same as little jonny would like to do & virtually come in full
circle - so there is nothing new there in the IR laws!
Apparently the SM or Manager would check the house before the
Beginners Ready’ cue & advise if they were to have chook to night
or not. Hence the call would go around back stage, something like
"chook it is" tonight everyone, which became shortened to chookas after
a while.
Supposedly’ Tio Tio Tio’ was added with the influx of European
performers around that ttime, suggested to mean ‘With heart & sole’!
This would also falls in line with the old chook raffles of the time,
when the publican or whoever was running it,  would create
interest in the raffles by continually calling out various things from
chooks to chookas!
For those interested I hope it helps?

Chookas 

{hear the light & see the sound} 


Thanks
Author: Tari-Xalyr
Date: 17/09/2006 - 13:34
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Thanks Christine. I was just curious because our director has adopted it lately with our show. (she didn't for the last one. . .she found it out recently from a friend).

I guess it could be a WA thing? lol. We're a little cooky over here Logos.

~ Tari

The Writer is a child forever listening at the keyhole of the adult world.


Ive heard it all over the
Author: Walter Plinge (not verified)
Date: 17/09/2006 - 18:06

Ive heard it all over the place here, but also while i was studying acting in melbourne. i personaly dont really like it.. it always sounds a bit goofy to me, and i never say it... i like the good ole 'good luck' - im not one for superstitions...

I think its definately an australian thing though... but hey.. maybe not??


Toi Toi Chookas
Author: Christine Ellis
Date: 18/09/2006 - 07:28
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Thanks for correcting me Joe.
It was a very good explanation.
To clarify for people it is "Toi, Toi, Chookas".
Not Tio (spelling).

Cheers
Christine Ellis


chookas
Author: Walter Plinge (not verified)
Date: 18/09/2006 - 09:05

Personally I prefer 'break a leg'


chookas
Author: JoeMc
Date: 18/09/2006 - 10:57

Your correct Christine!
I got it back to front back to front as usual. there again they reckon
the mind goes first, except with me, all the other bits went a while
ago -  so it can’t be that long to go now then?
As with break a leg, which was apparently derived because of a similar
situation, which supposedly came about around the same time. That being
a performer had to break the visual plane of the leg drops, before they
got paid! - along with various other explanations of course.
 Chookas is our own wee corner of tradition in theatre!
  If only I could remember that flamin poem?


Vaguely present
Author: Labrug
Date: 18/09/2006 - 11:09
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I was vaguely aware that Chookas came from "will we have chook or not" but regardless, I always found a little less confronting than either "Break A Leg" or "Good Luck" and such derivatives.

Someone mentioned that it sounded a little goofy. Well for me, that was the big attraction. It was a little odd and unusual, and I must admit I am often drawn to that. It has sort of infiltrated my vocab somewhat as I now say "Chookas" instead of "Cheers" when toasting.

And hey, if you want bizaar words, go see Wah-wah by Richard E. Grant where you will hear

Wah-Wah (noun) = incomprehensible manner of speaking by affected British ex-pats, a silly babyish way of talking

Toodle Pip (noun) =  good bye, used when making exit

Hoity-Toity (adj) = aloof manner of a person who is a terrible snob

Hubbly-Jubbly (adj) =  very nice, lovely

La-Di-Da (adj) =   silly, pointless

Jolly Good Show (noun) =  well done, excellent

Old Bean (noun) = friend (male or masculine woman who might play golf or smoke a pipe)

Scrubbed-Up (adj) = someone who looks presentable when they are clean, which they generally are not

Chop-chop (adj) = get a move on, hurry up, generally said to females

Smarty-pants (noun) = know it all, not someone you would want to be sat next to at dinner

Bit of a to-do (noun) = fight or social gathering that goes wrong when you accidentally mix people who don't like each other (or have run off with other peoples partners who might be there and still feel rather miffed about it)

You-know-who (noun) = someone that everyone knows but cant be mentioned by name, who might be important or have run off with someone important (or their husband or wife)

Brou-ha-ha (noun) = a lot of fuss by people who are a bit loud, possibly people who are a bit common - see "people who go caravanning"

Hush-hush (adj) = something that should not be talked about - but is, like a secret that everyone knows

Ding-dong (adj) = marvellous, very good, top hole

Diddly-doozup (noun) =  something like an event  that you cant describe any other way or have forgotten the word for, for example: if you are suffering from "a touch of sunstroke"

Hooty-snooty (adj) = the manner of someone pretentious who speaks wah-wah

Tra-la-la (noun) = something to say when you have forgotten what to say (see "touch of sunstroke")

Dimbo (noun) = someone who isn't very clever but might be well bred

Panisfied Ponce (noun) = a boy who is a bit girly and plays with dolls

Dolly Boy (noun) = see above

Coven of bitches (noun) = a posh ladies organisation or social group, an ideal place to have a good natter, term generally used by ladies who are not invited to join

Not quite Cheltenham (adj) = somewhere that isn't Cheltenham and certainly doesn't have a nice girls school

Touch of sunstroke (term) = feeling dizzy and staggering around or trying to kiss other people you aren't married to, caused by drinking too much whiskey

People who go caravanning (term) = poor people who cant afford hotels and who might be a little common

The old "you know what" (term) = drink or alcohol or a nice stiff cocktail

Like National Geographic (term) = somewhere you can see lots of ladies boobs but not feel ashamed of having a good look

http://www.wahwahmovie.co.uk/ - Source

Absit invidia

Jeff Watkins
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who can also sing ... and occasionaly dance
Fight/Sword Choreographer
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Cold Chills
Author: Logos
Date: 18/09/2006 - 19:39
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I have chills running down my spine. I used to work with a lot of people who actually talked like that.

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Interesting
Author: Tari-Xalyr
Date: 18/09/2006 - 16:46
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Some interesting terms we have there. . . some a little foreign to me but I do like Chookas. It is definately less confronting - especially when you're nervous.

~ Tari

The Writer is a child forever listening at the keyhole of the adult world.


Chookas
Author: Logos
Date: 18/09/2006 - 17:20
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It almost sounds like it could be a corruption of Chokkers. ie full to bursting.
Aren't we all strange.
Never use cut flowers on stage in a theatre I was told that flowers broken from their stems were all right and do not take home your bouquets from opening night. If you do you will close early.

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ohhhh
Author: Tari-Xalyr
Date: 18/09/2006 - 18:24
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ohhhh the mysterious myths and superstitions of theatre. . . . *spooky noises*

~ Tari

The Writer is a child forever listening at the keyhole of the adult world.


It feels a little silly to
Author: Alex Milne
Date: 18/09/2006 - 20:58
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It feels a little silly to me in an industry where there is the possiblity for so much to go wrong with human error and technical faults to have such a large range of superstition. Perhaps thats just me... I think we are running on enough 'luck' good techies and talent... that we shouldnt need to bother our selves with worrying about 'old wives tales..' but then everyone likes a good superstition... gives you something to hold on to... (or to blame...) Sticking out tongue

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All I can say is...
Author: Na
Date: 19/09/2006 - 13:08

The 'Scottish play'

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Thou Temptest Fate
Author: Labrug
Date: 19/09/2006 - 13:13
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NOOOOO! Oh the humanity. How could you .... Oh ... You didn't. Whew that was a close thing. Saw all my Christmas's at once there.

Of all the Theatrical Superstitions, that would have to be the most weird and the most powerful. I have seen even the most sceptic of actors recoil in horror at the very thought of mentioning the unmentionable play. Quite powerful indeed.

Absit invidia

Jeff Watkins
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Fight/Sword Choreographer
Virgin Director

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Couldn't resist! The
Author: Na
Date: 19/09/2006 - 13:20

Laughing out loud Evil

Couldn't resist!

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I directed it once. Suffice
Author: Logos
Date: 19/09/2006 - 13:44
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I directed it once. Suffice it to say I now have a healthy respect for that particular superstition.

Is that all there is? Well if that's all there is my friend, then let's keep dancing.
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Superstition
Author: Paul Treasure
Date: 19/09/2006 - 19:06

I know of a play by Ira Levin that seems to be rapidly gathering a similar reputation...

I don't know who put the theory forward... probably Terry Pratchett... that the reason we a re all so superstitious is that there are so many things that can go wrong that are totally out of our control that the last thing we need is bad luck as well...
Which made a lot of sense to me
Smiling


 30/12/2006 - 21:44 nemisis 13 (not verified) chookas
I don't think either of
Author: Na
Date: 01/01/2007 - 12:44

I don't think either of them are Yiddish... my grandparents and mum speak it, and I've never heard the phrase (chookas) outside of theatre. In fact, I taught my mum the phrase.

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I did a Google and there
Author: Logos
Date: 02/01/2007 - 08:34
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I did a Google and there seems to be some connection with toi toi toi and Indian Polo playing. The word chukka is used in polo.
Completely off the planet?

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Hot news!
Author: Rapunzel
Date: 03/01/2007 - 13:09
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I have just done a google search myself and found, on www.waopera.asn.au a nifty guide to opera including the glossary of terms "toi, toi, toi'. 

It says: Isn't only used in the English speaking countries and it's actually originated in the sound of spitting! Background: Back in the days people believed for superstitious reasons that spitting was supposed to ban bad luck, so it was a common thing to say "toi toi toi" (which was supposed to imitate the sound of spitting 3 times) while knocking on wood to wish good luck to someone.

Doesn't explain Chookas.  Same search revealed that the Toi Toi Waterfall is in New Zealand.

Rapunzel

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Ah, now I see the Yiddish
Author: Na
Date: 03/01/2007 - 16:07

Ah, now I see the Yiddish reference to toi toi toi (Fiddler on the Roof or The Nanny for example).

Perhaps I needed to read it phonetically to get it.

Though this isn't a Yiddish thing; probably European on the whole.

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Chookas
Author: James McDonald
Date: 07/01/2007 - 05:33

I was interested in that term, too. The spelling doesn't look right, so I did a net search using mutliple search engines and dictionary searches (remember those!) of both "chookas" and "chookers". I even tried "chukkers". Both "chookas" and "chookers" appear to be used by theatre people for the same expression. I also looked up an old Australian slang dictionary (1943) that I have in my own bookshelves. The term appears nowhere I have been able to discover in an authoritative website or publication (I'm not referring to usage here: it's definitely used backstage!). There is a Wikipedia entry, but its derivation and meaning is not there: it is merely an acknowledgement of the use of the term. It is not in my copy of the Macquarie Dictionary, nor in the online "Macquarie Dictionary of Australian Slang".

I have requested the Macquarie Dictionary people to follow it up.

Cheers,

Jim


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